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| 02-26-2008 16:28:03 |
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Where are all the vertical guys?
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| 02-29-2008 22:29:39 |
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I was wondering about that myself. I'm an ICF installer, however we are moving into decorative concrete also. Of course WOC 2008 was very inspirational, so I did some looking around and discovered Flex-c-ment. A little more looking, and I discovered this Wayne Sellon fellow that does some truly beautiful and remarkable work in vertical concrete. This month I attend the flex-c-ment mandatory training seminar in Alberta Canada - I'm from Saskatoon Sk. Mr. Sellon's work looks daunting and the learning curve is obviously steep, but there is clearly a level of artistry here as well. It would be nice to post with some other people with a shared interest and/or expertise.
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| 03-01-2008 08:23:30 |
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You realize Wayne Sellon is the one that started this thread?
Taj=Wayne Sellon
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| 03-01-2008 15:20:15 |
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I didn't know it - but I suspected. I suppose had I clicked on that user name I'd have known.....I'm new. Where are the vertical guys ? Is it not something many people are interested in ? It's almost unheard of around here, which is another reason why it is so appealing - the possibilities/applications seem endless. I wish there was a fraction of the acid stain floor "threads" for vertical concrete.
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| 03-01-2008 15:41:29 |
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To the right hand side I notice the Vertical Artisans logo. That was my first experience with vertical concrete. Anyone that attended WOC '08 will remember their outdoors display. I think I stood there for an hour and a half watching them create that gazebo. I was amazed by the realism and attention to detail, but also the simplicity and speed with which they worked. I must say though, I was even more amazed the next day when my wife and I spoke with one of the guys that had been carving. I asked him how much $$ he had into the materials I was looking at. Then I asked him what a similar project to this, say in a basement, would cost me...................he told me.
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| 03-01-2008 19:47:07 |
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I love doing vertical stuff. I wish i could do it a lot more often. What product do you use KSR? and where are you located?
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| 03-03-2008 09:20:43 |
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You are right about Nathan Giffan, (Vertical artisans) great stuff.
I have been doing vertical for a long time now, and I am very happy to see all the new people getting involved. This art form is just getting started, and public just doesn't know It's an option.
I am working with some acid vertically as well.
here are some pix of my office.
The wood is overlay also.
tajmawall.com
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| 03-04-2008 08:26:32 |
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Trinity - I have yet to use any vertical product. I will be using flex-c-ment very soon. I suppose much of the reason for this is the fact that a distributer/installer is avaliable to me that uses this product and trains in its usage. Also, I was interested in a product that is being used by a fellow Canadian, meaning someone who is accustomed to our severe freeze/thaw cycles etc., and has used it successfully. I really enjoyed seeing what Tom Ralston is doing in Santa Cruz California, but our climate is a little different here. "Here" is Saskatoon Saskatchewan - I'm straight north of Montana, but anybody from Michigan should know that :).
Taj - Those are great pictures - do you do any bad work ? I have seen many examples of your stuff (as much as possible), and I notice that you do alot of faux wood/timber. In particular, there is a fireplace mantle on your website that is outstanding for its detail and realism. I was wondering though, is it the sheer challenge of doing it that precludes you from using the real thing ? Also, I'm going to assume that you have a great deal of experience using the product I'm speaking of. Have you ever used it directly over ICF (insulated concrete forms) ?
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| 03-04-2008 15:34:59 |
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Thank you, and the wood thing is because it does not rot or burn or become a bug house.
Yes ICF many times but outside I recommend an EFIS base coat
with fiberglass mesh
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| 03-05-2008 18:38:04 |
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External Finish Insulation Systems is a crack resistant/water proof barrier for exterior applications. Is this a product/method you would use generally speaking, or is it something you recommend for harsh climates specifically?
Taj, when you undertake an interior job for a customer like a fireplace or wet bar etc., what would you say is your most desirable surface to work on (drywall/sheetrock, exposed plywood - that you framed yourself etc.). I mean, if everything was going your way.
Also, I want to add that you are so correct when you refer to the fact that vertical concrete is a relative unknown. I can honestly say that when people see it, they don't really know what it is they're looking at. Just today I used pictures on your website at work (my other job), to show people the possibilities. They were astounded, but many expleptives followed when I told them what they were actually looking at. One fellow that is/was a journeyman carpenter said "he's not a carpenter - he's an artist".
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| 03-05-2008 22:28:07 |
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Ill put in my .02 on this one. wood is the hardest because it needs wire mesh. Where as drywall, concrete, block just needs a scratch coat to stick.
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| 03-13-2008 20:18:20 |
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Hi Wayne I like your vertical work as much as artisan's check this out
This is all light weight cement
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| 03-13-2008 22:46:47 |
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That's interesting. I've seen that "Wayne Sellon" fellow. He's a Headliner on the Decorative Concrete Seminar Cruise and a hell of a singer.
I think this year is going to be good for vertical concrete applications. I received a couple calls this week from Spain inquiring about vertical applications and processes, which was a surprise. Whats the odds of two calls. Maybe I should look at expanding my commute.
I also enjoyed the vertical work displayed at the WOC 2008. A lot of trend setting artisans out there.
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| 03-14-2008 10:46:57 |
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I think with this economy traveling far is not longer a problem
we are training a company from Poland and it seams like they are very interested.
I didn't know about any European market I always tougth plasters came from there but what do I know.
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| 03-17-2008 13:09:54 |
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Hey guy's, Great stuff, I love to see new work.
This is a very exciting time for decorative concrete.
In August last year my son and I went to Poland and did
an advanced training class for a company that teaches and sells product.
the last cruise was a kick the next one will be much better.
The link http://decorativeconcretecruise.com/Agenda.html
Keep up the good work. Wayne
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| 03-17-2008 20:33:00 |
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Joecrete - great pics. What extactly is that we're looking at ? Your craftsmanship is excellent. You are much like Wayne Sellon in that the coloring of your work is almost as important as the actual carving. I love the tree root also, but thats what i'm talking about - artificial becomes real.
Concretebull - I hear you. Where I live, 270,000 might buy you an entry level condo or townhouse. If you want a new house it's 12-18 month waiting list. A journyman carpenter (if you can get one) is pretty much a jobsite supervisor around here. It also doesn't hurt that our dollar is equal to yours. Why go to Spain ? I felt bad for a fellow in Michigan that was on NBC. He explained how he had a hard time feeding his family and paying the bills - and he was a carpenter !!
I have a newbie question for the vertical pros - I love the arches. I think I understand the process.... except...what exactly are you guys putting BETWEEN the plywood arch cutouts ?? Is it bendable plywood, hardboard, or what - please help !!!
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| 03-18-2008 08:41:46 |
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Yes the tree is HOT, There are a few ways to build an arch in a square opening. You can frame it and soak sheetrock in some water to bend it. You can also use metal lath and cover it with a product called strutolite. This also works very well for a compound radius.
You use agriculturel gypsum to hop it up or set it off. Inside only.
Check out this stump planter, over a plastic bucket
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