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| 03-28-2008 05:32:55 |
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I wanted to know about the kinda machinery you guys use for grinding. Anyone use a planetary with a floating head?
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| 03-28-2008 05:41:28 |
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Jason,
We use planetary equipment and depending on what we are doing dictates how we have the heads set up. Rarely do we lock them down so they are 100% rigid. A matter a fact the only time we locked them down was when we were flattening a 5X10 counter top slab. When we are grinding with the metals the heads are not locked down but either Velcoed in cups or bolted to a metal plate so the abrasives do not flex individually but the whole plate has the ability to flex. If we are using terrazzo plugs they are in a metal plate where the whole plate flexes but not the plugs. When we use our resins they are mounted thick foam so each abrasive independently has the ability to flex to a certain degree and the whole plate also flexes.
Jim
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| 03-28-2008 05:46:07 |
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Good Deal Jim, I appreciate the info. I'm Jonathan by the way-Jason is my brother. I am working on a project that will be done the end of next week, when its done I want to show you the machinery I used to grind the floor. I think you will find it interesting.
Thanks again for the info.
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| 03-30-2008 18:37:58 |
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Did you stop using your 17" swing machine?
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| 03-31-2008 06:41:41 |
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IMS
Why dont you just tell us now?
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| 03-31-2008 15:43:32 |
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Nope, I did not stop using the swing, the floor I am working on is very! un level, It looks like one of the blades were bent when they trowled it. I whiped my grinding machine out for this one. Once grinding is done I chunk the machine out the door and ride the swing machine to finish. I will show you the grinding machine once I finish the project, I am going to take a picture of it for you guys to see. It would be to hard to explain the machine without a pic of it.
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| 03-31-2008 19:39:33 |
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holy crap. The suspense is killing me.
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| 03-31-2008 20:34:43 |
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but that's what he does he holds everyone in suspense
wes
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| 04-01-2008 06:41:03 |
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Wes!! Man I did not realize it was you. You saw the grinding machine at the seminar. I just put it to use lately, I will post a pic shortly. I have managed to grind in one stage followed by the diamonds and swing we used. You will love the final polish I found.. its all coming here very soon. We moved light years since the seminar. Not trying to leave everyone in suspense- I just put it to the test before I come out about things.
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| 04-01-2008 12:06:52 |
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I dont think I am the wes you are thinking about but I would still like to know!!!
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| 04-01-2008 14:35:02 |
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Sorry, wrong Wes
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| 04-07-2008 19:38:21 |
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your not off the hook.
what's up with this new machine?
Let's see it, inquiring minds want to know.
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| 04-08-2008 10:29:10 |
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well the only other type of machine out there made for grinding that does not have a planetary head is a counter rotating head machine like a Terrco, PrepMaster, Edco, TPS...etc
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| 04-08-2008 15:07:22 |
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IMS,
Unveil your machine now
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| 04-09-2008 18:44:30 |
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Just a few more days guys, been hectic lately - I wont let ya down. This will be a hell of a thread once I get everything finished and on here. Hope all is doing well.
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| 04-28-2008 14:25:22 |
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Fellows I am sorry I actually forgot about this, it has been hectic lately. Here is the machine I have been working with. So far I like it for grinding but still more to be tested with it. Its all in the works
MB1096 is the name of the machine
http://www.terrazzosm.com.au/pol.html
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| 04-28-2008 18:34:20 |
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Do you buy this locally or get it from Australia? What pricing on the machine?
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| 04-28-2008 19:32:28 |
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Its an italian made machine, not sure where all you can get it in the usa. As far as price - I dont know we bought ours used with I think 4 hours on it for about 5K if I remember right. I have had it for many years now, never had one problem with it. We orginally bought it for lippage removal doing natural stone.
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| 04-28-2008 19:59:27 |
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does it go back and forth changing directions while it it running or was the video messed up
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| 04-29-2008 04:52:12 |
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The video is true, you have control over direction . Its really comfortable to use, in other words you dont feel worn down. Its like pushing a lawnmower. I just need to do more with it before I can really put my stamp on it, but so far, so good.. for grinding as I was saying before once grinding is done I chunck this machine and whip out the swing with hone and polish abrasives until complete......Sounds starnge I know, but for whatever the reason maybe the end result comes out better.. this proved true for us on natural stone as well. The thing I realy like about this machine is the metal bonds for grinding. They make metal bonds for granite, terrazzo, concrete etc.. So I have been testing and using...So far I like the granite metal bonds for concrete, they seem to cut the best and hold up the longest. They are not your typical metal bonds, these work in stages.. For example granite metal bonds work in stages such as 1, 2 & 3. 1 would be the lowest grit. Depending on what is to be accomplished on the job you may be able to just use the 3 stage metal bond and go to your hone/swing. Its all in the works so bare with me, I run a service division on top of other things so I am working as hard and fast as I can.
What I can tell you is as soon as I wrap up the current concrete polish job I have going on, I will be working on a website.. you will see allot more in there.
Hope all is doing well
Jonathan
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| 04-29-2008 12:07:02 |
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I really dont see what the big deal is? Its just another planetary grinder.
The way you describe how the tooling works (start with metals 1,2,3, then switch to resins for honing/polishing) is the same exact way as normal.
Im sorry but whats all the hoopla for?
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| 04-29-2008 12:12:34 |
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I just said this is the machine I was using for grinding so far its been working well. I think it grinds better then allot of the machine I have seen and it seems to do it using fewer steps.
If you mean does not look different in physical design, I guess is does not look to much different then other machines. I have not seen anybody sporting a mb1096 nor the grinding abrasives they have designed for it, which we all know can make or break you on a job.
I'm looking at more of durability in the machine. What (metal bond) abrasives are designed for it and how do they perform which could separate one grinding machine from the other. But MC the grinding, honing and polishing philosophy is the same, I suspect it will always be. I'm just trying to get there in fewer steps while having a killer end product that's all my friend. I stand behind what I have found with the honing and polishing abrasives I use and distribute, just looking for the ease and efficiency of grinding at this point. Grinding may not be neccesary for all jobs like some of the pics I have posted on here.
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| 04-30-2008 05:29:44 |
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QUOTE gmavridis, 2008-04-28 18:34:20 Do you buy this locally or get it from Australia? What pricing on the machine?
Verona Marble (VMC) used to be the distributor of those machines – La Genovese (www.menghini-bonfanti.com) in the US until four or five years ago when they dropped them of and started carrying the Chinese knock-of/copy [ I think they call them “La Chinoise” :) ]. If I recall right the planetary versions of the Genovese's used to go for about 8K for the smaller ones (MB1096 – 3HP) and about 13K for the larger ones (MB1093 – 7,5HP)
Here at the German distributor’s web site you can see more info on the current Genovese models - http://www.bediam.de/schleif.html [ seems they were 'short' on polished concrete images and "borrowed" one from Tim/Kingconcepts :) ]
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P.S. Some 10 or so years ago Dubbs had 4 or 5 of those
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| 04-30-2008 06:25:04 |
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Actually that's is right Mile, that's where I got mine - I really could not remember where I bought it from. Do you have any experience with it?
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| 04-30-2008 11:08:22 |
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My Babies!!!!!! I love those hard core bastards!!! I only have one left mile. They are the toughest machines ever made. You have no idea how many hours I put on those genoveses. I welded weight rack posts on the sides and could add 300lbs to the machine for deep grinds. The only down side to this machine is that it maxes out at 300rpms. Just replace the bearings once a year and keep it clean. It will beat the hell out a swing buffer though. That is a proven fact. Just ask my gloss meter. Perfect for residences and small commercial. I bought mine for 14,000 in 1996. $5000 is a terriffic deal. Buy more.
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| 04-30-2008 11:38:30 |
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naahh, Thats only because you have not tried my hone and polish abrasives after grinding Dubbs. I agree all the way with you dubbs, they are tough had mine for sometime now, just looking to use it for grinding..still testing
the mb1096 has a variable speed of 600 to 1600 rpms. They make bigger versions of the mb1096
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| 05-01-2008 06:01:11 |
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QUOTE ims polished concrete, 2008-04-30 06:25:04 Actually that's is right Mile, that's where I got mine - I really could not remember where I bought it from. Do you have any experience with it?
IMS, not other than running it at a distributors warehouse on a several occasions, I was much more familiar :) with the single head ones.
Dubbs, there was a reason they were made that way with low RPM's - to ensure higher torque during grinding, these were terrazzo machines, nobody was polishing floors 15/20 years ago (until Jani-Jack ‘popped-up’ and took over). I also remember the time we had them retrofitted to take terrazzo plugs (just like Advance and Terrco), but it didn't work too well, the motors on the Genovese's were a bit too small and didn't have enough juice.
For the same reason (if you recall) the 9” resins with dove-tale on the back worked much slower than the 3” diam. ones (way too much surface area and not enough RPM’s to drive-it)
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| 05-01-2008 11:43:12 |
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Yeah, im not a fan of the single head version, loving the mb1096 for grinding so far though.
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