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| 04-11-2008 09:47:13 |
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I have installed three of these last year. This is a before and after. We ground off the spray texture, added some drains to move water off the deck and applied the pebble flex of the drains. The material lets water pass through. Cracks and control joints do not come back through. This material is very nice but very pricey. This was done at $18 per sq. ft. Anyone else use pebble flex?
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| 04-11-2008 09:49:38 |
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Not sure who's job is the first one, but it is a good one. Let's try again.
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| 04-11-2008 15:11:02 |
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Demus that kinda started to get popular here but I havent seen anyone doing it in a while now.
Im not sure if its the same product but if I remember right the guy told me he was getting only $6-$7 per sq ft for it (this was 10 years ago maybe)
It was an epoxy mixed with pea gravel and then troweled down at about 1/2" or so
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| 04-11-2008 15:14:44 |
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Nevermind I remember what pebble flex is now...completely different.
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| 04-11-2008 21:28:07 |
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Demerus: Here in Canada they call it Rubberrock. It goes for roughly the same price. If i am not mistaken do you not have to spray rubbing alcohol on the trowels to smooth it out. Years ago i helped out laying down a rubber play ground as the stuff will go right over grass with little or no prep at all other the cutting it. Only they used recycled shredded tires and xylene as a catalyst mixed in a cement mixer and tinted with liguid tints. Now for the kicker they pay $.14 per pound of rubber for that system as opposed to the $3 plus for the rubber rock. BTW the job looks mint
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| 04-11-2008 21:39:31 |
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I might be wrong about the xylene as a catalyst. I can't rightly remember if that is what it was
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| 04-12-2008 04:45:00 |
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rubberrock sounds entirely different,,, over GRASS ? ? ?
good concept but the problem i foresaw was longevity & ease of installation after talking w/another artisan who'd been doing the work,,, dampened my enthusiasm but still think it has potential depending on the mkt.
what was your learning curve ? ? ? { 2nd post's pic doesn't show in firefox - will try i-net expl & opera }
best [the original] still-learning yic-yac
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| 04-12-2008 11:24:09 |
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Yes you are correct after checking the site for Pebble Flex. I see that it is Alphaphatic Based pebbles.
The recycled tire playground topping is the poor mans way of doing the rubberrock. Rubber rock is considerably more costly, more attractive and offers more colours. But it is basically the same system . The rubber systems also allow the water to pass through the surface and be puddle free. Like the Pebble Flex
There is a Day Care center up the street with it (the poor mans version) I will take a picture and post it next time I'm walking my dog
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| 04-13-2008 15:44:01 |
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The rubber rock is totally different that pebble flex. The systems is made up of dry thermoplastic pebbles, color blended on site then a urethane primer is on surface and pebbles are mixed with an aliphatic urethane binder. Here is a pic of the first job being applied.
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| 04-13-2008 15:47:06 |
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Here are some more .
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| 04-13-2008 15:48:27 |
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This is what we removed on the top pictures.
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| 04-14-2008 09:20:56 |
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Personally, I have been a distributor of, as well have applied, Pebble Flex for 6-7 years ... prior to that, for well over 15 years, I used to apply the old 1-3mm rubber granule/urethane bonded system (standard 3/8" overlayment, as well as the thick/matted playground surfacing that has an underlayment using 3/8 buffings with urethane binder under the 3/8" cap that runs from 2" to 3" thick (thickness depending on how far a child could fall from playground equipment; these are the surfaces you see at McDonalds, Burger King, etc.)
The colored/rounded cushioned Pebble Flex bead with aliphatic binder process associated with Pebble Flex is much easier to apply/trowel than the antiquated 1-3mm granulated rubber/irregular systems. Furthermore, Pebble Flex is much more UV resistant as to color stability; stays soft/cushioned and impact resistant (it does not dry out and become hard like the 1-3mm rubber granule/urethane systems inherently do), and Pebble Flex has a great many other superior features/benefits over those of rubber granule/urethane.
Pebble Flex is much more costly as to material (cushioned beads and UV resistant binder), and per sq.ft. price is typically about twice the price of a 1-3mm granular rubber/urethane surface ... but the value, longevity, and overall performance is worth the extra costs associated with Pebble Flex system (sort of like a Lexas has more value than a Ford Escape).
Lindy A.
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