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| 04-21-2008 17:25:44 |
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Anyone here lic. lithocrete guys?
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| 04-21-2008 19:39:01 |
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doesn't look like a very large list according to l's website,,, from the specs avail, a seeded conc surface w/retarder,,, you're the 1st to mention the name in my memory.
best [the original] another-new-product-hits-the-mkt yic-yac
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| 04-22-2008 17:14:11 |
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Ive always wondered why guys pay for this license when you can do all of the same things without it?? Exposed aggregate has been around forever. Anybody can seed the concrete with anything they want
Maybe you get awarded more commercial contracts this way.
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| 04-23-2008 10:28:16 |
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Sullivan Concrete, probably the largest (at least at one time) decorative concrete contractor in America thought like MC too. They installed toppings basically the same way Lithocrete's patent outlines the installation and got sued and lost. Lithocrete patent is ironclad, it's been tested a number of times and they've never lost. I've read the patent and frankly I’m a bit dumbfounded nobody has contested it and won -- it's essentially rustic terrazzo. 3:1 aggregate to cement topping followed by a top surface retarder, as I recall reading the patent, don't quote me on that it's been 20 years since I read it. What I’ve been curious about over the years is I thought lithocrete was a Scofield trademark and did Scofield stop making Lithocrete colorstone due to Lithocrete the companys' patent.
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| 04-23-2008 12:03:48 |
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wonder if this ' patented ' process has common heritage w/lithichrome ( cleveland lithichrome - lithichrome.com ),,, yrs ago, there was a product for granite/marble monuments,,, would this be suitable for conc al a smith paints & conc dyes ?
who sued whom, cozzie ?,,, only read specs on lithocrete's website.
best [the original[ always-colorful yic-yac
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| 04-23-2008 12:46:04 |
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Lithocrete sued Sullivan Concrete. Lithocrete won.
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| 04-23-2008 12:47:54 |
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Lithocrete sued Sullivan Concrete. Lithocrete won.
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| 04-23-2008 12:48:03 |
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Lithocrete sued Sullivan Concrete. Lithocrete won.
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| 04-23-2008 16:29:00 |
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Litho=lithium silicate. Not to boost the system just because my boss paid for rights, but it is a bit more than just exposed aggregate that anyone can do.
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| 04-23-2008 17:13:01 |
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QUOTE consci, 2008-04-23 16:29:00 Litho=lithium silicate. Not to boost the system just because my boss paid for rights, but it is a bit more than just exposed aggregate that anyone can do.
Literally, litho means permanent, not lithium silicate. Plus, to say it is more than just exposed aggregate that anyone can do is a bit of an insult to terrazzo contractors who have been doing it long before the company Lithocrete was ever thought of. Please elaborate on what you mean.
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| 04-23-2008 18:45:04 |
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cozette, I in no way slammed terazzo, they are not the same products. Terazzo has its place just like a lithocrete does. The "process" is what lithocrete has a patent on, it is not an exposed aggregate system, the biggest benifit I have seen is the flexability to use nearly any type of aggregate on the surface, design is limitless.
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| 04-23-2008 18:56:49 |
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QUOTE consci, 2008-04-23 18:45:04 cozette, I in no way slammed terazzo, they are not the same products. Terazzo has its place just like a lithocrete does. The "process" is what lithocrete has a patent on, it is not an exposed aggregate system, the biggest benifit I have seen is the flexability to use nearly any type of aggregate on the surface, design is limitless.
Terrazzo is spelled with two r's, and is limitless as well.
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| 04-23-2008 19:09:49 |
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1800 sqft 10" 10,000 psi structural slab with sea shells and capri blue glass in a freeze thaw environment? (ill mak sur 2 use spel chek in furthr diskishuns wiht u)
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| 04-23-2008 20:15:45 |
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QUOTE consci, 2008-04-23 19:09:49 1800 sqft 10" 10,000 psi structural slab with sea shells and capri blue glass in a freeze thaw environment? (ill mak sur 2 use spel chek in furthr diskishuns wiht u)
Are you asking if that can be done outside of this company you are pumping or are you suggesting you've done this? You're very unclear. Instead of blurting out these bits and pieces regarding this company, try something more expository, like an introductory statement, a body of supporting evidence and a conclusion. This should keep you busy till next week.
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| 04-25-2008 20:58:22 |
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I can pour a ten inch 10,000 psi slab of concrete and seed the surface with sea shells, glass...whatever and expose it all the next day...why must you cary a lithocrete license for this?
Same thing with Bomanite exposed aggregate system that is a mix of materials applied to the the green concrete and then exposed the next day, which is more labor intense than lithocrete, but why should I buy into that license?
The only beneifit I see to it is that you may be awarded some commercial contracts that spec that particular system in
I was actually looking into the Bomanite concrete polishing license for hopefully getting awarded some contracts untill I was informed of all the fees:
$16,000 for the license (pretty steep but ok)
3% royalty on every job (doable)
$650 -$700 a month FOREVER ( this one put me over the top as if the others werent enough)
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| 04-26-2008 03:39:57 |
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for 16K, you could be a permacrete installer, no ? ? ? :-) next door to another ' certified licensee ' ? ? ?
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| 04-26-2008 18:21:11 |
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It does cost alot of money to "buy into the club". There are some real nice advantages. Just last year the co. I work for was able to get in on a very big contract for work nationwide. That one contract will keep us busy for years. I realize this is often not the case. I know of alot of guys who spent tons of cash, just to be stuck using an inferior product for jobs they get stuck with. I personally feel that being a licensee tends to limit creativity and personal pride. I brought up the subject originally on this forum to see if there were any guys using the process. I have been thinking of trying to simplify the process and I wanted to bounce some things off of someone who knows the work. To the guys that can seed in any material, have you had any problems with pop-outs or ASR? I am not familiar with how concrete performs in milder climates than here in arctic Minnesota.
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| 04-26-2008 18:32:31 |
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here in the south west we dont have to deal with the freeze thaw issues so I wouldnt know about agg. popping out from that.
The only reason that I can think of of wht some aggregate would pop out was if you washed of the cream surface too soon without letting the concrete set up enough....Other than that I wouldnt know.
We've been doing exposed aggregate for years without any issues of what you are asking about but like I said we are in the S.W. Our lows in winter average about 40-50 degrees
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| 04-26-2008 18:49:38 |
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we use a 30% retarder. I don't think it is too much paste removed at that %. We do have a problem with asr. Every summer ready mix companies put out thier bullitens warning of the potencial issues, then they just wash thier hands of it and dump it on us the installers. Do other areas of the country have less reactive concrete mixes?
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